turn signal switch wiring question???

[rjewkes]

Hey kapn',

Just a thought, The wire under the hood could be bad or have some corossion on them.

I had a dead wire on the cab side of my harness.

This effected my rear only. but if both wires had a problem.

did the new switch(from the 71) come on the column from the 71 or did you snake it into the 68's column?

coulda damaged it on the way in.

[kaptnkaos]

Hey rjewkes,

I put the '71 TSS in the '68 column...
Now I have the '68 switch back in the column, with no differance...
To avoid damaging the wires, I put them in a long piece of shrink tubbing.
It it comes in a roll so you cut it to fit, and it stays fairly flat which is how you want the wires to be especially on the switch end where it has to fit between the column and the collar.
I'm not sure why Ford did it that way...
I think perhaps that Thunderfoot hit the nail on the head with swapping the two green wires one has a red stripe and one has an orange stripe...
I hope that's what it is...
It pretty much has to be something simple like that, because the rear wiring wasn't touched at all, and all I did on the front was to put a new end on the ground wire and wrap the wires with black electrical tape.

KaptnKA S

[kaptnkaos]

Today I messed with the wiring some more ..

Here's what I found out...
I put the switch that was in the '68 back in yesterday...
Now I am working with only the upper schematic Thunderfoot posted.
with the key on, circuit #2 (white with a blue stripe) is hot.
When I turn the switch to the right it blinks.
That makes me think that circuit #3 (Green with a white stripe) should also be hot with the key on.., but it's not.
I hooked the white/blue wire to circuit #3 and #50 which should have activated the left turn signal light, but it did not...
When I tried circuit #9 (green/orange) the rear the signal worked.
My conclusion is that for some reason circuit #3 is not recieving power, and there is a problem somewhere else in that circuit...
Now what...
I tried changing the wires on circuts 9 & 10, no differance...

Where does the power to the switch come from???

still puzzled...
KaptnKA S

[Thunderfoot]

Ok, that all makes sense as to why it is working the way it is… that hot wire #2 is in the wrong place… You need to put that hot wire into the #44 position… Swap #44 and #2….

Here is how the TSS works…

The power from (out of) the turn signal flasher is used for both left and right turn signals. It is the #44 wire on that diagram on the TSS, look at that point as a contact.
When you move the turn signal cam to make a right turn it connects this contact (#44) with #2 and also #5 to direct this power to the right turn lights front and back.
When you move the turn signal cam to make a left turn it connects this contact (#44) with #3 and also #9 to direct this power to the left turn lights front and back.

So where you have power to the #2 the only place that it will contact with is #44 (and #5) it will never get to #3 & #9 for the left side… This also tells me that you have 44 and 2 swapped as both right sides work front and back…

The Brake light power from the brake light switch goes into #10, you will see that it is also directly connected to #5 and #9 on those circled pads in the diagram, these are the rear light connections.
When you turn the turn signal cam to the left it will disconnect that line from the right side to the left so that the brake light will not override the turn signal from flashing the light when you are on the brakes…

[kaptnkaos]

Hey Thunderfoot...

I swapped those wires, now I have right front and rear signals
and left rear signals... so we are gaining on it.
I still don't have left front signal or a left turn indicator inside.
That would be circuits #3 and #50 on the schematic...
I certainly don't understand why the wire colors are so mixed up...
That's a little bit crazy...
I never would gotten this far going by the Ford schematics...
And, I have the new switch coming... what kinda crazyness is that gonna cause...

Thanks again,
KaptnKA S

[rjewkes]

sounds like when you wrapped the new ground it could have come loose from the new end for the front. and the left inside bulb not blinking indicates one of the turns ain't working.

[Thunderfoot]

Good deal
You can check that #3 wire in the column from the switch with a test light just to be sure... If you don't have anything on it with the left turn on then the problem is the contacts in the switch, if you do have power there then check the connection with the pin in the connector and go from there. You might just for grins check out the horn wire for power just in case you have it swapped with the #3 wire.

Your going to be an expert on TSS and wiper switches.

[kaptnkaos]

Hey Thunderfoot..

Well, I think I solved one problem to create others.
Here's what I have now...
Both front and rear signals and dash indicators working...Yes!!!...
4-ways= 3 corners working... p'side rear not working...
No brake lights except when you have the turn signal on...
The brake light comes on the opposite side that's not blinking.. it does the same thing both directions
My instrument panel lights do not work either...
They worked before the tear down
I checked the fuse it's good... I replaced the light switch last summer...
Man I hate electrical gemlins...



At least I know that the wiring to each light is good..

Now, I am really confused about the brake lights...

KaptnKA S

[rjewkes]

wow. almost sounds like time to bypass the connectors(I know hate the idea too) for the moment. and do direct wiring.

[kaptnkaos]

hey rjewkes

I'm gonna wait until I get the new switch from NPD and get it installed before I do anything like that...
It is so much easier to wire stuff from scratch that to trouble shoot problems.
The thing that has me really bumfuzzled is that everything worked just fine before the tear down...
I didn't change anything except the switch... then, I put the old one back in 'cause I know it worked...

KaptKA S

[rjewkes]

Yup strange things happen. Hope the new switch fixes it if not good luck with the scratch wiring.

might be able to get some blank connectors' from a parts house or radio shack.

[kaptnkaos]

I messed with the turn signal switch wiring this evening...

Now, I have turn signals, indicators and e-flashers on all 4 corners
I also have brake lights working..
The right rear had a bad ground...
I cleaned that with some steel wool and cleaned the grounding screws and put some di-electric grease on them.
I still have to check out why neither of the front side markers aren't working.
I'm still gonna to install the new TSS when it get's here...

KaptnKA S

[SteveC]

check the grounds on the side markers i tied mine into same wire that powers the roof lights which is powered off the rear lights and grounded them to the radiator support ...since im running relays on my headlights im not pulling very much power. i dont have a separate switch to run the markers they come on when the park lights come on. And if your grounds are good check where you get power from if that is good check the bulb and socket. I had several bulbs that looked good but were blown out on the bottom.

Btw can you get new lenses for those dietz side markers??

[kaptnkaos]

The Deitz lights were replaced many years ago with some good replacement ones from NAPA...
I don't think that the bulbs have ever been replaced...
I'm gonna start by cleaning the grounds and replacing the bulbs.
I betting that's what it is on those...

If nothing else, I have some nice LED markers that look just like the Dietz that I got for the bus... I'm certainly not above using them on the CS...

KaptnKA S

[SteveC]

the set i have came off of a 69 camper special that also donated it ranger emblems to my surpise when i tested them on the battery they lighted up
with the original bulbs in them.

So if napa has replacment maybe i can get some replacement lenses mine are a little surface cracked