StarRrRrRrRting problems.
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72bumbee
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
Here are a few pics. The new one I just got at NAPA, the old new one is the one from Auto china. Took the truck out to the guy who did the tranny rebuild, and he said... " Bad Starter, sounds like the bendix is sloppy and not retracting all the way". I took it for a test drive, and whenever the truck jerked or shifted or accelerated quickly, it would grind. at an idle, or steady speed, it was quiet. Took some comparison pics. Whatever is wrong with it, is not obvious to me. The teeth are chewed down on the "old" New starter. and a few other casing differences.
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
measure the starter drive opening on the starter. that may tell if its the same or not. as far as engauging in the proper zone. if the starter shaft is worn it can let the starter drive slop around.
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
Now we're getting somewhere.
Check to see if you have too much end play in your crankshaft. The thrust bearing may be worn enough to let it shift forward when you accelerate hard.
Are you still using the spacers between the starter and the spacer plate?
Check to see if you have too much end play in your crankshaft. The thrust bearing may be worn enough to let it shift forward when you accelerate hard.
Are you still using the spacers between the starter and the spacer plate?
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Why is it that there's seldom time to fix it right the first time, but there's always time to fix it right the second time???
That's not an oil leak
That's SWEAT from all that HORSEPOWER!! 
Why is it that there's seldom time to fix it right the first time, but there's always time to fix it right the second time???
That's not an oil leak
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
But did the tranny guy say why he used washers between the starter and bell?
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something.--Plato
Why is it that there's seldom time to fix it right the first time, but there's always time to fix it right the second time???
That's not an oil leak That's SWEAT from all that HORSEPOWER!!
Why is it that there's seldom time to fix it right the first time, but there's always time to fix it right the second time???
That's not an oil leak
That's SWEAT from all that HORSEPOWER!! -
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
the tranny guy said he just replaced what was there when he put it back on. Also, said another ford truck of our vintage, was in there for some tranny work and it also had spacers on the starter. they were slotted on one side so they were able to add them without pulling the bolts. WIERD! what gives?
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
Haven't got the new new starter in yet, but have the header out on that side, and planning on putting the new new starter in to see if I will need to put those spacers back in, or what. I used brake cleaner around the opening to clean out the gunk, and if I can get it in without it grinding I will remove it and reinstall it with the header.
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
Before you put that starter in see if you can wiggle the flywheel. Maybe it's loose?
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
Good point!!!
Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something.--Plato
Why is it that there's seldom time to fix it right the first time, but there's always time to fix it right the second time???
That's not an oil leak That's SWEAT from all that HORSEPOWER!!
Why is it that there's seldom time to fix it right the first time, but there's always time to fix it right the second time???
That's not an oil leak
That's SWEAT from all that HORSEPOWER!! -
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
I will check the flywheel. Seems to measure properly according to fordmans measurements. Is there anything else I should check? Just want this to work this time. Sart work again next week, and won't have time to mess with it, and don't want my kittens climbing into the bell housing to nap! HAHA 
What would be bad as far as wiggle is concerned? The old guy at the tranny shop said that the flex plate looks like it is "breathing" if you hold a strobe to it while it is running.
I should have gone to mechanics school. I don't understand a lot of this stuff.
What would be bad as far as wiggle is concerned? The old guy at the tranny shop said that the flex plate looks like it is "breathing" if you hold a strobe to it while it is running.
I should have gone to mechanics school. I don't understand a lot of this stuff.
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
Also, wanted to mention, that the tranny guy gave me a pattern for tightening the bolts that hold the starter. First step: All bolts finger tight. Second: Start with top bolt and snug it down. Third: Bottom bolt snug it down. Fourth: Use a pry bar to gently yet firmly, pry the rear of the starter away from the engine, while tightening down the outside bolt. I did that "old" new starter this way and it actually wasn't grinding as much. Ramblings of an old ford mechanic, or nuggets of wisdom???? You be the judge!
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
I've never heard if it. And I wouldn't do it either, it's too easy to break cast aluminum.
Bottom line is, you have a problem there somewhere and it's best to figure it out and fix it right so you won't have a break down, possibly an expensive one, somewhere down the road. A starter should just bolt right in and work, that simple.
Bottom line is, you have a problem there somewhere and it's best to figure it out and fix it right so you won't have a break down, possibly an expensive one, somewhere down the road. A starter should just bolt right in and work, that simple.
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
Can you get your camera down to the starter hole? Maybe if you can take some pics of the bell housing, flywheel, and the surrounding area one of us here can spot something out of place.
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
You read my mind. I just went out and took some pics of the starter hole.
I checked for wiggle in the flywheel thingy, then mounted the new starter up to the hole without the exhaust headers on. Tried turning the fan, and the starter was still catching the teeth of the flywheel (or vice versa) so I took the starter back off and took pics of the hole. I am at a loss.
I no longer suspect the starters.
Just have no idea where to go from here. I suspect if I give up and let the garage fix it, they will just put the spacers in and call it good! Costing me a fortune in the deal.
I know I can put it in WRONG! I don't want to pay the shop to do it wrong!
Thanks guys again,
Steve
I checked for wiggle in the flywheel thingy, then mounted the new starter up to the hole without the exhaust headers on. Tried turning the fan, and the starter was still catching the teeth of the flywheel (or vice versa) so I took the starter back off and took pics of the hole. I am at a loss.
I no longer suspect the starters.
Just have no idea where to go from here. I suspect if I give up and let the garage fix it, they will just put the spacers in and call it good! Costing me a fortune in the deal.
I know I can put it in WRONG! I don't want to pay the shop to do it wrong!
Thanks guys again,
Steve
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Re: StarRrRrRrRting problems.
from looking at the flywheel you can see that it is on in the correct direction. so that isnt the problem either. it also looks liek the spacer plate is in place. the only thing i can think of is the spacer plate is the wrong one. but i have no way of telling with out the part numebr from the spacer plate. but i cant see the wrong spacer plate being on the engine.
could the flywheel be warped?
could the flywheel be warped?